science, religion, spirituality...and how much/little we really know about it all.
ever wake up early and have something in your message box/email asking, “what do you think of this?”
I had never heard of Jordan Peterson and I only got through the first four minutes of listening to him at 5 am this Sunday and thought that the proverb of man’s wisdom is foolishness in gods eyes seemed to make a lot of sense. I guess it is the age-old dilemma of science versus religion, and then there is that spiritual dynamic (call it love) that goes beyond our human senses.
hearing the talk, I felt like I was listening to a human, just like myself, trying to rationalize in one’s mind the simplicity an complexity of the cosmos from the vantage point of a few thousand years on one tiny planet where it is all wrapped up in a nice little box and has a bow attached, “look how it all works! aren’t we so smart!”
then again, later today, I will listen to the other 8 or 9 minutes and follow up. Perhaps tomorrow.
the answer I have for all the questions of science, religion, and spirituality is, “I don’t know.” yet, I think there is nothing wrong with moving forward to a place that perhaps the scientists and the religious folks all come to the same spot. I guess what bothers me about religion, is that despite having it all around the planet, if we were really loving each other, I don’t see how we would have so many hurting and wounded people walking around
what does this have to do with science and religion? I don’t really see either doing a great job in unifying the whole person. there is somewhere either in between or beyond the two…the conscious spirit of the human. the scientists can’t prove or understand what and how we get a conscious life any more than a faith-based, “belief in the unseen” can. but there is something there for anyone who wants to pay the price to tap into it.
what is the price? I guess it is when one shifts life from a secular and selfish way of life, to more of a selfless and spiritual way of life? the two really don’t seem to go very well together. the more worldly success you get, you probably will lose more of your heart and soul with the worries and cares of the world slowly covering your heart and soul with some sedimentation of the passions
if you go the other way, and give up the stuff of the world, you leave room for passions to turn into virtues. the question is how does one balance the two? the only people I have met on the spiritual journey that I say really have something special are the folks that left living in the ways of the world
in the secular side, I have seen oodles of people explaining and telling people the path to spirituality, yet, few have actually don’t the journey and healed themselves first. perhaps that is the rarity and sign of a great teacher. before they took the time to help others, they had to first help and heal themselves. there is no shortage of people that really probably do understand the ideas and concepts, and are trying to help others – yet, they themselves are just as damaged in some cases as the people they are trying to help.
but I thought about it after church, I attend a denomination that is highly liturgical, yet, the idea is to get everyone to a spiritual path. I thought, “I really just want to sit here, focus, and wait for whatever to happen….” with a list of to-do’s and a structure, you can easily find it very easy to miss why you are there in the first place with the distractions
as for science, I am all for its quest for truth and the reality that over time, what was once known changes, but the current views of science today, I wager will look a bit silly should humanity go forward another 200-500 years. it is the same argument that gets used with religion and the lack of concrete facts. with science, the facts change over time. I mean, it was not long ago, that the planet was viewed as the center of the universe and was flat.
how fast scientists forget that at one time, this was considered facts and truth.
maybe that is why one day…perhaps not in this time or space of our human existence. I forget the number of billions of stars and galaxies that exist in the known dimensions, and yet, if you do the same calculations based on proven higher dimension mathematics, you take that number times a factor log 7 (I think) what does that do? makes for a stupidly large calculation of the potential of galaxies and stars that might exist that we simply cannot see in our current spatial and sensory existence.
so…what is the easiest? probably look at the photo I posted that I pulled off the net, realize that is ONE of the billions of galaxies in the cosmos, and that little spot in our solar system and planet where we reside.
why we have so much conflict on the inherent contradictions and similarities between science and religion – and each saying they are somehow right – mystifies me.
isn’t wisdom saying, “I think I am correct, but I am also ok if I am not.”
now I can go watch the rest of the video…as it discusses lots of things I think about. and I am ok listening to someone’s perspective, even if I don’t agree with it – so long as there is a construct to it that they can explain.